LISTEN TO A SOUL-PATROL.NET EXCLUSIVE, AN INTERVIEW WITH JOE JACKSON
Mr. Jackson sat down for a 37 min. interview with Soul-Patrol and he discussed, Historical Legacy of the Jackson Family, The Micheal Jackson Trial and it’s aftermath, New material from the Jackson Brothers, His new projects (music, movies, etc), and more
The C.E.O of the Jackson Five (part 1)
Joe Jackson is a person that everyone knows.
Or at least they think they do.
I have been fortunate in that I have been able to actually get to know Mr. Jackson. He’s a big fan of the Soul-Patrol.com website and whenever he travels east, he usually contacts me and invites me to “hang out.” He has done this several times and I haven’t written about it till now, simply because I wasn’t really sure that I wanted to share these experiences. I wanted to keep them to myself.
His name and face are one of the most famous in the history of Black music. Considering the fact that he isn’t a performer, I think that is quite amazing.
I had never thought much about Joe Jackson till I watched the Jackson Five TV movie. Of course I knew who he was right from the beginning of my knowledge of the Jackson Five. I had also been aware of all of the negative things that have been written about him in the mainstream press over the years. And just like most people I thought that those things were true.
However my view of Joe Jackson began to change when I watched the Jackson Five TV movie. Joe Jackson (as portrayed by Lawrence Hilton-Jacobs) came across to me as a very different type of person than what the mainstream press had depicted him as. In the TV movie, Joe Jackson came across to me as a person that cared deeply about his family. He came across as a Black father who really wasn’t much different than the hundreds of “real life” Black fathers that I have known during my life. However there was one thing that made Joe Jackson very different than any other Black father that I knew. Joe Jackson had a vision for his family. Most fathers have a vision for their family, however in addition to having a vision, Joe Jackson also had a plan, and he actually executed that plan.
Black Americans might just be the most creative people on the face of the earth. Just look at all of the things we have created and the proof is there. However one of our “dirty little secrets” is that we know that for every successful creative endeavor that we purse, there are a thousand more that were great ideas, but were never implemented. For all of our genius, we are terrible at following thru on good ideas. In some ways we are actually proud of our “lack of follow thru.” (This is a notion that is closely related to the fact that we often view “CP Time” as a positive attribute.)
One of the ways that Black American “pride” in “lack of follow thru” is manifested is what is commonly called “crabs in a barrel.” This is the odd habit that Black Americans have of attempting to “sabotage” the efforts of other Black Americans who seemingly have a good plan for how they are going to move forward. The idea is to pull those who are trying to “escape from the barrel”, back into it. Then once successful in pulling that person who was trying to escape “back into the barrel” (by sabotaging their efforts), the message becomes something along the lines of; “see I told you that you needed to just stay in your place.”
Black Americans discuss this topic all of the time, behind closed doors. In fact they even admit their complicity in this activity. However the behavior never seems to change. It’s almost as if we have been programmed to do whatever we can to insure the failure of other Black Americans.
Joe Jackson actually accomplished something for his family that most Black Americans can only dream of. He had a vision and a plan that would make his family rich & famous beyond belief. He was a steelworker, that lived in the ghetto, with too many mouths to feed. It would end up as a story of the ultimate American Dream, tarnished by the aura of a nightmare.
I have no doubt that along the way, there were many “crabs” trying to pull him and his family “back into the barrel.” What makes Joe Jackson different is that he found a way to overcome this. And this is what I learned from watching the Jackson Five TV movie.
What I have learned from talking with him in person over the course of the past few years, is that in many ways, even today there are still many “crabs” trying to pull him and his family, “back into the barrel.”
The first time I met Joe Jackson he shook my hand and then hugged me. The first thing he said to me was “let me know if they are still trying to cut your lines, I’ll come and I’ll bring my shotgun with me.” I smiled and said; “one of these days I may need to take you up on that offer, sir…”
Today whenever he calls me on the phone, he always starts off the conversation by saying the same thing. He wants to make sure that I am aware that there are other Black folks out there who would love to see Soul-Patrol.com fail, but more importantly, he is also letting me know that he’s “got my back”, should I ever need to call upon him.
This is a man who truly understands the “crabs in the barrel.”
As you talk with Joe Jackson and as he begins to feel comfortable with you, the familiar public veneer disappears and what appears is the “steelworker.” Joe Jackson hasn’t forgotten where he has come from. He is soft spoken, yet confident. If there is a problem (large or small), he’s got a solution. He is a practical man, who is focused on the details of making sure that everyone’s needs are accommodated and that whatever the “big picture” may be is attained.
This is a “skill set” that I recognize from my many years of Fortune 500 management training. It’s called “project management.” You take a situation and constantly subdivide it into it’s component pieces and then manage each one of the pieces. If you determine that one of the pieces is too large to manage effectively, then you subdivide it into even smaller pieces such that all pieces can be effectively managed by whomever is in charge, to the greatest benefit of all of the people that have a “stake” in the outcome. In corporate project management, all of these things are written down in a document called a “project plan.”
When you observe Joe Jackson up close and if you are able to recognize the skill set as he performs it, you can recognize that he is able to do all of the “project management tasks” (resource management, task management, time management, quality control management) inside of his head. Once you see this, it becomes obvious how he was able to implement his vision for his family. I have known many great project managers in my years of “corporate life”, however I have yet to see one who is able to create and execute a project plan as effectively as Joe Jackson.
And for his vision to become a reality, he would have had to be able to operate in this manner, else he and his family would have been “pulled back into the barrel” by the other “crabs.”
Sometimes people get the terms “management” and “leadership” mixed up. They think that they are the same thing, they are closely related, but they aren’t the same thing.
“Management” is about “process.”
“Leadership” is about “control.”
Great managers can become great leaders, if they are in control of situations. When they aren’t in “control”, they can still “manage”, but they can’t “lead.”
Sometimes we can see both of these qualities in a single individual.
I have no doubt that in order for Joe Jackson to have accomplished what he did during the first portion of the career of the Jackson Five, that he had to be a great manager and a great leader, especially in dealing with the “crabs.”
Ultimately Joe Jackson probably reached the point where he was unable to “lead” his family anymore, simply because he could no longer “control” them. This is what happens in all families, kids grow up and they no longer want to be “led.” When this happens we as parents have to hope that we have taught our children enough about “management”, so that they will be equipped to “lead themselves.” What was different for Joe Jackson and his family is that all of this was played out right in front of a very un-forgiving public eye.
I have more to say about Joe Jackson.
But I’m tired of writing right now, so I’ll stop here.
I just “hung out” with him a few days ago, and I wanted to put down a few thoughts and give you all “some food for thought.”
Soul-Patrol Chat Transcript: Guest: Geraldine Hughes, Author: REDEMPTION: The Michael Jackson Child Molestation Allegations
View the transcript of our special online chat session last week, featuring author/lecturer Geraldine Hughes (REDEMPTION: The Truth Behind the Michael Jackson Child Molestation Allegations). We had over 100 folks in attendance for this chat session on tuesday 12/14 with author Geraldine Hughes to discuss these allegations with Geraldine Hughes.
In addition to listen to some BRAND NEW MUSIC FROM THE JACKSON FIVE on the transcript page, from the previously un released 1973 live concert in Japan CD, courtesy of our friends at HIP-O Select, via Soul-Patrol.Net Radio
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|I just wanted to share with all of you one of the most exciting moments I have ever had in doing this website. I had the good fortune of being invited to the birthday party of Mr. Joseph Jackson, the patriarch of the Jackson clan and one of the true living legends of Black music. I am pleased to report that Mr. Jackson is a member of Soul-Patrol and has been following the overall progress we have been making here for several years. I was quite honored (and also pleasantly surprised) to have been included in this special event.
I’d like to thank Mr. Jackson and his entire extended family that made it possible for me to attend and also for the treatment I received in Las Vegas during my stay.
In my mind Joe Jackson represents yet another one of our Black heroes that has been maligned by the mass media. He has accomplished much for his family and for OUR culture, by creating something based on his own vision that has stood the test of time thus far and will continue to do so well into the future.
Whatever you may think of the mass media’s depiction of the individual members of the Jackson family over the past 20 years, please DO NOT FORGET that it was the single minded vision of this man that created an entertainment entity that is one of the most important in the history of Black culture. That is an accomplishment that even the mass media can’t destroy…
|When I opened up this CD, the first thing I said to myself was:
‘Does the world really need another Jackson Five Compilation…’
(and then the inevitable happened)
As soon as that immediately recognizable piano groove that starts ‘I Want You Back’ came on it brought a smile to my face. That was quickly followed by ‘ABC’, ”The Love You Save’, ‘Mama’s Pearl’, ‘Never Can Say Goodbye’ and all of the rest, in exactly the sequence that you would expect.
Then right at track number 11 it hits me why this CD Compilation makes sense…
Oh there is more…
Then I look at the liner notes and it all starts to become clearer as to why we need this compilation…
The CD ends with ‘Billie Jean’ and maybe that’s a good place for this particular chapter of the JACKSONS STORY to end?
|A few years ago (back in the late 1990’s) when I was asked to head up the Music Department at the Prodigy Online Service, I took a look at the way things were organized and set out to re-organize things a bit. One of the things that was already in place was that there were sections for each genre, just as one might expect. There were sections for Rock, Pop, Country, Jazz, Classical, Hip Hop, Children’s Music, Christian, Opera, Broadway, etc.
I also noticed that there were also several ‘artist specific areas’. For example there were areas reserved for fans of the Beatles, Grateful Dead, Jimmy Buffett, N’Sync and others…
There was also an area for Michael Jackson.
As you might imagine one of the changes I made was to get rid of these ‘artist specific areas’.
Tonight I watched the two hour documentary on Michael Jackson, and the 1 hour recap which was broadcast afterwards on the ABC TV network.
As I watched, my mind kept going back to that time and the response I had given to one particular person who had written in to complain about the elimination of the Michael Jackson area on the Prodigy Music Homepage.
I told the person that…
‘Michael Jackson was just another funk artist and that in my opinion it was demeaning to all of the other funk artists to set him apart’
For some reason, as I watched the 3 hour TV extravaganza, I kept coming back to that thought. Especially when they showed the old Jackson 5 film clips. I found myself wondering if Michael Jackson himself ever wished that he could go back to a time when he was ‘ just another funk artist ‘?
Then I found myself wondering, if there ever had truly been a time when he was “just another funk artist”?
I have no idea how much of what he chose to reveal about himself was fact or fiction?
All I know is that personally as I watched him and listened to him talk, I know that I sure as hell wished that he was…..’ just another funk artist ‘
Because if he was…..’ just another funk artist ‘ .
I have a feeling that he might be a much happier person today?
NP: “Stop The Love You Save May Be Your Own…”
ALL 10 CLASSIC JACKSON 5 MOTOWN ALBUMS REISSUED, MANY FOR THE FIRST TIME ON CD
|Surprised to see a page about the Jackson Five here on the P*Funk Review?
Well you shouldn’t be!
Some of you who are younger or who may have short memories, may have forgotten about the impact of this talented group out of Gary Indiana.
They burst upon the scene in 1969 as a fresh faced self contained band with a tremendous lead singer who happened to be just 10 years old at the time. They dressed like hippies and wore huge Afros that seemed to touch the sky. They had a powerhouse team of Motown songwriters/producers (including Berry Gordy), called the Corporation behind them.
· The Jackson Five played the music of Sly Stone, Smokey Robinson, the Isley Brothers and more!
ALL OF THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY UNHEARD OF BY BLACK ARTISTS!
Above all, the Jackson Five became a symbol of Black Pride!
The Jackson Five NEVER said a word about politics that I know of!
THEIR VERY EXISTENCE WAS A POLITICAL STATEMENT!
I think that we are talking about several different things here that invariably are going to get mixed up (and ultimately messed up if they aren’t careful)
1. I think that there is a LARGE “nostalgia” market for a Jackson Five 3 hour concert, featuring 1.5 hrs of Jackson Five songs from the 60’s & 70’s and 1.5 hrs of Michael Jackson solo songs from the 1980’s. A tour like this would be a HUGE financial/artistic success this summer.
2. I think that there is a LARGE “nostalgia” market for the already available “Jackson Five Anthology” CD and a well packaged/documented “Michael Jackson Solo Anthology” CD. The release of the solo Anthology CD should be released at the same time as when MJ is inducted into the Rock n’ Roll Hall of Fame in March. The tour that I mentioned could then start in the spring, and would propel the sales of the two anthology albums into the stratosphere! Potentially a song or two from these anthologies could even be re-released as singles and become hits a second time around?
3. There is a potentially large market for a CD containing new material from Michael Jackson as a solo artist
4. There is a far more limited market for a CD containing new material from the Jackson Five (6?). It would be similar to the market that exists for an album of any other classic soul artist from the 1970’s.
For example, what if they did a gospel cut (a’ la Take 6?) or what if they did some Jazz (a’ la Lambert, Hendricks & Ross?), what if they did a cut “co-featuring” someone like Sister Sledge (for example)? or teamed up with someone like Mandrill and produced a MONSTER Funk track? or how about a duet with the Dells or the O’Jays?.
Jackson Five Anthology
Although it’s a compilation, anyone here that is a Jackson Five fan should really treat this one as if it’s really a BRAND NEW ALBUM!!!!!!!!!
The Jackson Five’s cover of Sly’s “Sing a Simple Song” is SUPER FUNKY and song “Can You Remember” (with Micheal on lead) is as badd a slow jam as ANYTHING that was done by Barbara Mason, Brenda and the Tabulations, Ponderosa Twins, Five Stairsteps or comparable groups at the same time.
The song right before it on the CD is called “I’m So Happy” this time with Jermaine on lead and once again, it’s a SUPER BADD SLOW JAM that I know that any of you who are slow jam mavens from this period (listen up Charles and Ron…..lol) will love.
On the new CD, produced by our friend Harry W., the sound is totally cleaned up, the liner notes (written by David Ritz) are awesome, song selection was done with love (there are album cuts here that I haven’t heard in years such as the SUPER FUNKY “Hum Along and Dance”, which was NEVER released as a single and I think that I ONLY heard in Discos).
The Jackson Five (“the Black Beatles”) get overlooked because of all of the stupid scandals and publicity surrounding them as individuals. However we shouldn’t forget that the original Jackson Five group is one of the most important of all Soul music groups. That first 5-6 years of their career was AWESOME and their impact on Black history should not be underestimated.
This Anthology is a perfect musical document of that time period.
Just take my word for it and go out and buy this CD because it’s going to be one of my top ten CD’s of the year!!!!!!!
1. I Want You Back
My Jackson 5 Memory
by: Sue Porter
It is Memorial Day weekend, 1971. I’m in summer school at Langston University, Langston Oklahoma, an historically black college smack-dab in the middle of Oklahoma (damn near). One of my buddies from Oklahoma City, Pam, invites me home with her, as I am an out-of-state student with nowhere to go on this first holiday of the summer.
As part of our weekend, we go to a Jackson 5 concert held at the Myriad Convention Center in OKC.
We sneak into seats we didn’t pay for (typical), the concert jams, everything’ s groovy, and I think we’re headed back to the crib -but- somehow, Pam has discovered where both groups are staying, and we head over to the Ramada Inn (or someplace like that) by the airport. The lead singer of the Commodores knows we’re coming, Pam says, and maybe we can party.
For the life of me, I can’t remember what we did with the kids–maybe their mom picked them up; anyway, they don’t go with us to the hotel. What ensues has remained a poignant memory for me, that I often ponder when I think of Michael Jackson today.
We were standing in the lobby of the hotel talking to Lionel Ritchie, who you must remember, at that time was not LIONEL RITCHIE–he was just a talented brotha in a good group, probably on his first real tour. Lionel was trying to figure out how to get us back into his hotel room—Papa Jackson was very strict, and didn’t even want the Commodores to have any truck with fans.
As we’re standing there talking, down the hallway leading to the lobby and adjacent dining room/restaurant come Papa Jackson and the boys, trying to high-tail it into the dining room before any fans can see them. Strangely enough, no fans were there but us; I still don’t know how Pam found out where they were staying.
Anyway, Papa Jackson swoops all of the boys into the dining room; each of them look at us longingly, as if they WANT some interaction with people. But the killing thing, the cutest thing, the most NORMAL thing, was Michael, who ran back, peeped around the corner, smiled and waved at us before getting snatched back in. We three chicks were all charmed by him…we smiled and waved back.
That is the memory of Michael Jackson that I hold most dear. I know that he was once a normal, fun-loving little boy, because I glimpsed it in that very brief interaction we had with him. I wonder what became of that little boy…
By the way—we never did get into the Commodore’s rooms that night. But Pam did go on to have a rather long term affair with Lionel Ritchie.
Jackson 5 : Ultimate Collection
This is a GREAT CD and I happen to own a copy of it…
1. I Want You Back
> 1. I Want You Back
> 6. Who’s Lovin’ You
> 8. Never Can Say Goodbye
> 13. Daddy’s Home – Jermaine Jackson
> 5. It’s Your Thing
Every now and then I think about putting a page together called “The Black Beatles” all about the Jackson Five, using this compilation album as the foundation for discussing their music and then I pull back because sooooo much has already been written and said about them.
Comeback For “Little Mikey”?
Yeah, boyee! Also, please remember little Mikey blowin his ass off on “Who’s Lovin You” back in the Day.
On another (related) note, I keep hearing Mikey’s putting together a new LP of real fresh, supposedly different music. If that’s true, I really hope he realizes his US market is dormant, unless he comes up with a real catchy smoker, a la “Remember The Time” (still a killer hook and groove) or “Liberian Girl”, which showcases his voice well in a multitracking environment.
Bottom line is….I’d like to see him shake it up with a killer comeback CD.
Ain’t NOTHING wrong with going Retro these days. Look at D’Angelo! (He’s getting over like a fat rat in a cheese factory!).
…..But, he needs Q and Rod Temperton. Just my opinion. With far too few exceptions, the newer stuff ain’t doing it for him. A large part of me really wants him to rise above all the crap, hoopla and circus atmosphere he’s been living in and JUST DO IT!
Question is not CAN he, but…WILL he??? And WHEN???
–Barrington S. Tate
Jackson Five Discography